Ideas of universal basic income, 15 hour workweek and opening of all boarders apparently have a remarkable history. Writer and thinker Rutger Bregman in his new book Utopia for Realists reasons that the time has come to propose them again. He is our guest in this episode. Meanwhile, BBC radio producer Julian May talks about the aftermath of the Torrey Canyon disaster, when a huge oil tanker ran aground in 1967.
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